either;

"Our proper talent is to eat and drink."
("Odyssey," viii, 246, 248)

and to excite such tender and delicate motions in our bodies as
may chafe our imaginations to some jolly delight or gayety."
And therefore you seem to me not so much to take off (as I may say)
the pleasurable part, as to deprive the men of their very lives,
while you will not leave them to live pleasurably. Nay then, said
Theon, if you approve so highly of this subject, why do you not
set in hand to it? By all means, said I, I am for this, and shall
not only hear but answer you too, if you shall insist. But I must
leave it to you to take the lead.

Then, after Theon had spoken something to excuse himself,
Aristodemus said: When we had so short and fair a cut to our
design, how have you blocked up the way before us, by preventing
us from joining issue with the faction at the very first upon the
single point of propriety! For you must grant, it can be no easy
matter to drive men already possessed that pleasure is their
utmost good yet to believe a life of pleasure impossible to be
attained. But now the truth is, that when they failed of living
becomingly they failed also of living pleasurably; for to live
pleasurably without living becomingly is even by themselves
allowed inconsistent.

Theon then said: We may probably resume the consideration of that
in the process of our discourse; in the interim we will make use of
their concessions. Now they suppose their last good to lie about